Pre-Industrial Life Was Worse
City Journal Audio
Manhattan Institute
4.7 • 657 Ratings
🗓️ 24 April 2026
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Chelsea Follett joins Brian Anderson to talk about how technology has improved urban living from earlier times.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome back to the Ten Blocks Podcast. This is Brian Anderson, the editor of City Journal. |
| 0:20.7 | Joining me on the show today is Chelsea Foll is Brian Anderson, the editor of City Journal. Joining me on the show |
| 0:22.2 | today is Chelsea Follett. She's the author of the recent book, Centers of Progress, 40 Cities |
| 0:28.3 | that Change the World, Managing Editor of Human Progress.org, which is a project of the Cato Institute, |
| 0:34.7 | that looks at global improvements in well-being. |
| 0:39.2 | And on the subject of improving well-being, she's here to discuss her recent |
| 0:43.5 | city journal story, Think the Present is Tough, Try the Past. |
| 0:47.7 | So, Chelsea, thanks so much for coming on 10 blocks. |
| 0:51.0 | Thank you so much for having me. |
| 0:52.9 | Your essay, it offers what you could call a corrective |
| 0:56.8 | to a powerful mood in politics these days, which is a sense that things are uniquely awful. |
| 1:04.2 | Human beings do often feel nostalgia. This was already true. You know, you go back to ancient |
| 1:09.3 | Greece, but they can romanticize what the past was actually like. |
| 1:12.6 | Yet in one 2023 poll, almost 20% of Americans said they believed it would have been easier to have a thriving and fulfilling life hundreds of years ago. |
| 1:23.6 | So why do you think that in an age of what has to be described as widespread |
| 1:30.0 | material abundance, people seem to feel so overwhelmed and unhappy with their quality of life? |
| 1:37.6 | I think it's because humanity has not only overcome many of the problems that our ancestors face, but also lost the memory that |
| 1:48.1 | those problems existed in the first place. We've come so far that we have lost that historical |
| 1:53.6 | perspective. And so sometimes it's nice to zoom out and take a broader historical view of |
| 1:59.6 | things to put today's very real challenges |
| 2:02.7 | into perspective and remind ourselves just how far we've come. And that humanity is actually |
| 2:08.1 | amazing at solving problems and improving our standard of living over time when given the |
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