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This is CBS. I'm the World. I'm John Batchel. I welcome my colleague and friend Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang as our co-host for a conversation with Rick Fisher of the International Assessment and Strategy Center

about a headline running recently in defense news.

China demonstrated, quote, satellite dogfighting, end quote, according to a space force general.

Rick, a very good evening to you.

As of now in middle of March, the Space Force is saying that China is practicing anti-satellite behavior. Satellite dogfighting is a romantic version of that same statement. My memory is that China has been practicing anti-satellite conduct for many years. Do I remember correctly? It was 2007.

What happened, Rick? Help us remember. Good evening, too. Good evening, John. Good evening, Gordon.

Yes. On January 11, 2007, the high-ranking leaders of the Chinese Communist Party and the People's Liberation Army Air Force gathered at Chechang Satellite Launch Center in mid-China to witness the fifth launch of a missile, a missile based on their Dong Feng 21 medium range ballistic missile, but

modified with liquid fuel stages, to launch the first successful Chinese interception

of a satellite in low Earth orbit, A defunct Chinese weather

satellite that produced a very

large debris cloud

that still threatens

unmanned

and manned space

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