The following talk was given at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, California.

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It's something I'm fond of teaching.

I've done it plenty of times.

I was based on an event that happened to me many years ago up in the mountains here in

New York City.

I was on a retreat there.

I had a small creek that was running by the retreat center and I sat there just kind of

enjoying watching the creek and sitting there.

It was cool by the creek, it was a hot day.

At some point I looked at the creek and

parts of it I couldn't tell that the water was flowing.

The water was very clean and clear and it was probably flowing but very, very slow.

There were no ripples, it wasn't being somehow disturbed by little rocks in the creek.

So it wasn't really moving at all.

It looks like it's sitting still.

So I took a stick and put it in vertically into the water.

Then I saw that along the edges of the stick a current was made.

The ripples were made.

It was moving after all.

Then I knew it was moving.

So meditation works that way in that many times we don't see how our minds are moving

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