So let me just take people back several years now.

When I was trying to be somebody in powerlifting,

trying to be somebody in the fitness community. No one

cared. You know and I've said that many times I said that no one's

fucking no one cared. There was really no one by my side necessarily other than my fat friend Jesse Burdick.

Jesse's always been there.

Jesse's always been there.

And it was just hard.

It was hard to get any traction. It was hard to gain any ground and I would reach out to companies. I reached out to bodybuilding.com and I reached out to many other people and I just what I was doing at the time you know squatting a

thousand pounds and things like that just it wasn't appetizing powerlifting

wasn't as popular as it is now.

And I don't even really know how it happened.

Maybe you can kind of point these people in the right direction

of figuring out how some of it happened,

but long story short, I end up getting in contact with yourself and Muscle Farm at the time.

And this was like one of the first guys, one of the first companies, one of the first people that gave a

shit. This was a guy that stepped up and said, yeah, we recognize what you're

doing is valuable and this is cool. Mark, this is cool. We want to to we would like to figure out some sort of

relationship maybe we'll send you some supplements or or maybe it'll work out some other way

so how how did I end up on your radar and how did some of that all come to be if you can remember?

Yeah for sure if I try to turn back the clock I mean first off is I love power lifting so

that was the first way and I think that you're not just a fitness model. Yeah, I'm not just a fitness model and that's that's too

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