Hello and welcome back to another episode of prosecuting Donald Trump. So there are

more and more reports. I stress the word reports of people who may be cooperating with

the Jacksoness investigation, i.e. Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows and others who we're going

to talk about. And so in addition to covering some of the news from last week related to the

Miami Grand Jury to former Governor Juicy and pressure campaigns with respect to him, we

wanted to really take a step back and talk about cooperating witnesses and thought this

would be a really good time to talk to you about how you on the inside and especially in a case

like this, go about obtaining a cooperating witness. I think it's going to make people a lot

smarter about how they read what they're seeing in the news and understanding how to read the tea

leaves. And especially I think how like Mary and I, when we read it, what we sort of take is a

key event and what we sort of brush off as well that that seems a little like to getting out

over their skis. Anyway, that's sort of our plan for today. Mary, welcome back. Yes, good to be here.

I think also this is a place where we'll talk about terms of art, right? Sometimes there are words

that are used in sort of common parlance that have a very different meaning when it comes to

lawyering and cooperators. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that's a great place to start. So

why don't I start by talking about what a cooperating witness is and then Mary, it sounds like

you want to talk about what it means to come in under a proper agreement, what that is versus

sort of cooperator. So first, a cooperator in a federal case like Jacksonous case, whether we're

talking about the Miami case or the ongoing investigation regarding January 6th,

a cooperating witness is typically somebody who is coming to the government admitted their own

wrongdoing and is completely truthful and they usually have a written agreement with the

government and that can include pleading guilty to charges and admitting and taking responsibility

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