Postliberalism: Flirting with Fascism | Interview: George Weigel

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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The pillars of order are crumbling around us and the crazies are wielding the sledgehammers; enter our heroes, George Weigel and Jonah Goldberg, to introduce a healthy dose of sanity to the public square. Jonah and George cover the state of Catholicism in the U.S., the slippery slope of postliberalism, the folly of integralism, and the strange, noxious rise of the antisemites. We’re running a listener survey, which you can find at thedispatch.typeform.com/podcast. Shownotes:—Jonah’s G-File on postliberalism—Patrick Deneen’s book: Why Liberalism Failed—Vatican II’s declaration on religious freedom—George’s book of commencement speeches—Jonah in the NYT on Tucker Carlson—To Sanctify the World: The Vital Legacy of Vatican II—Taylor Marshall’s book, Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within—George on antisemitism in Public Discourse The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:32.2	because that's a really weird URL,
0:33.9	but I'll read it to you again just in case.
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1:06.5	Oh, Oh. Oh. Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. Can you digger? Daniel Jiggan!
1:20.4	Greetings your listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.
1:21.7	We have a return guest today.
1:23.7	You know, when I was a kid, they used to run this public service ad on Channel 5 where this little kid was talking to his grandpa.
1:32.6	And the little kid said, Billy's my Jewish friend.
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1:46.3	George Wigel is one of my favorite Catholics. And he's one of the best Catholics out there.
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