Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. I just stepped off the Beat the Press set. I spoke with House

Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, and the former Defense

Secretary Robert Gates who have served presidents of both parties. Our broadcasts, of course,

centered around the continuing crisis around police brutality, and our new NBC News Bowl

released today, showed that Americans remain pretty distrustful of a lot of our institutions.

So to break all this down, I'm sitting here with Omniveaus, the co-anchor for PBS's

NewsHour. I'm not good to see you. Hi Chuck, is it here?

Tackling police reform as a journalist. And as you'd have to do the same thing, you're

trying to frame a conversation. We report the news, and then you want to frame a conversation

that you hope at least gets folks to understand, okay, what can be done and what can't be done

here. Why do you think this has been such a much harder? I mean, guns we know why it's

so hard. Yeah. Police reform, in some ways, I understand how it got polarized for a minute

there, but this is one that I keep thinking there is a bipartisan solution if people really

wanted it. It got polarized, yes, like a lot. Everything feels polarized these days,

short, right? It's easy to do if I really want to. Look, police reform, I think we also

need to point out is grounded in larger social, cultural, structural issues in America,

which is to say racism and specifically anti-blackness. We know who is disproportionately impacted

when it comes to police brutality in this country, and that is black Americans. We also

know that there's a larger culture in America around policing that doesn't really exist

in other Western democracies, right, in terms of not leaning into de-escalation first

and the arming and the way in which our police forces are armed. There are larger structural

and cultural conversations to have around that. I think the challenge for us as journalists

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