Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. I just got off the meat the press set on here on Sunday.

Just wrapped up interviews with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, White House Senior Advisor

Sutter Gritchman sitting here now with Sarah Blackwell. She's our senior broadcast producer

at Meat Press. We talk a little bit about the show we just wrapped up, what we've learned

from it. So Sarah, I have to say, you know, we do these things after the show and you're

like, okay, what did you learn? I think the big thing I really learned today is that we're

weeks and maybe months away from this deal. Like whatever artificial deadline and urgency we felt,

I don't know about you. I'm suddenly thinking, oh my God, this is healthcare again.

That's right. And I think Bernie Sanders said 1.5 trillion is at the beginning of a negotiation,

beginning. But he did it. But he did. Which is interesting. He did. Yeah.

He did. And I think, you know, you were right when you said the starts when you get in the same room.

And they haven't gotten in the same room yet. That's pretty clear. Yeah.

You know, one of the things we know, and somebody said this to me, they didn't expect Bernie Sanders

to endorse that number, that range that Biden publicly. And of course, you know, it's not my

understanding, right? And they kind of knew that. What I found interesting is from the White House

perspective. And I'm curious what you thought. I get the sense they're not quite sure how this

is going to go. I think they're not sure. That's right. It sounds like they don't know what to fight for.

And so when I hear Biden's going on the road to sell his plan, I wonder what exactly is he planning

to sell? And it seems like, as you were saying, you know, this is not about a number, not about a

number, not about a number, but it seems like the only thing that's been consistent is that everyone

is talking about a number, whether it's, you know, on the record or off the record, because it's

not clear exactly what else they're looking to sell. The other part of this is sort of,

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