Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast Washington is in the middle of

a, I guess we'll call it a very Washington moment.

The debt ceiling limit is looming.

Nobody is sure how it gets, it's going to be resolved.

Who's going to blink and why this is even a fight that needs to be fought.

And if that wasn't DC enough for you, some folks are now trying to solve one self-imposed

manufacturer procedural mechanism with another.

Democrats are now talking about making some changes to the filibuster just to break this

blockade over the debt limit by the GOP.

So joining me now, Stephen Dennis, congressional reporter at Bloomberg, Shavan Hughes, Capitol

Hill reporter for the Wall Street Journal, Stephen Shavan, welcome to both of you.

Look, this is on one hand, I look, I think this entire debate over the debt limit, this

is why they hate us.

That's what I always say, right?

Our family members going, oh Washington, you guys are a bunch of whatever's.

Look, we know it's going to get raised.

The question is the mechanism to do it.

But this does feel like we've, even when they eventually do it, Steve, something, yet,

if it's possible to become more dysfunctional, the Senate just did it.

Yeah, I think, yeah, there's something different about this fight.

Normally, when you have a debt limit fight, it's seen as leverage to get something else.

You want to get spending cuts, you want to get spending increases, you want it to be

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