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I think it's about 3% of the world population are living in countries where

fertility is not declining. So, the idea that, you know, the population is growing is

very old news. Immigrants get old. Immigrants stop having kids as well.

You know, it's it's the same type of thing. You're just getting in, essentially,

a new dependent class because, you know, they're not good. They usually have, you know,

maybe more children than the typical, you know, Westerner for maybe one or two

generations. But it declines already. Fairly steep once they get here. Now,

are we going to get off the pill? Are we going to, you know, get off of the industrial

revolution? Yeah, you know, it's the toothpaste meat tube type situation.

I don't want people to end up in that position where that realization comes that late

and there's maybe not a huge amount you can do about it. And I think that's tragic, actually.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry on Location. I'm Frances Foster. I'm Constantine Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is returning to the show. She's a writer and the host of the

subversive podcast. Alex Kessouta, welcome back. Thank you so much for having me.

And as we said, we're on location London, which is why we are more fancily dressed than normal.

And the set is what the set is. But anyway, welcome to London. It's great to have you back on.

I've been following your writing and the things you say on social media with great interest.

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