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Hello and welcome back to the Americano Show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the

Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American

politics, life and culture. And that's what we talk about every

episode on this podcast. So please keep listening and provide as much feedback as you like.

Welcome back to the Americano show. Or should I say a joint Americano show with the Holy Smoke

podcast, which is of course produced by our brilliant

associate editor, Damien Thompson, who is also our Vatican correspondent, I think we called you as well,

then. I think that's absolutely right. It's a rather lovely title, isn't it? And you, of course,

do the great Holy Smoke podcast, and so we are going to do this one. Of which this is one.

Of which this is one. Of which this is one.

Yeah. Yeah. In addition to being part of a legendary Americano.

Exactly. Thank you. Thank you. So we're doing this together because, of course, we are talking

about the Pope and Donald Trump. Because as everybody knows, Donald Trump has launched an

extraordinary broadside to use the word

that journalists seem to be using, against Pope Leo. He went on a very strange rant.

Damien, do you think it's true that the Pope was just watching 60 minutes? And that's what

Trump was watching 60 minutes, and that's what, sorry, Donald Trump was watching 60 minutes.

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