Hey, everybody, it's Wesley Morris, and we here on the cannonball team are taking a break.

And in lieu of giving you a fresh cannonball, I'd just like to share an episode of Popcast,

one of our sister shows here at The New York Times, hosted by my pal is John Caramanica and Joe

Coscarelli, who talked to Jack Harlow, the rapper who's now doing

a little more singing in his work. The whole conversation is fascinating because you were

listening to an artist sort of talk very unguardedly about his project and his interests as a

white man in a sort of traditionally black form. You may have seen a section

of this conversation make its way around the internet, in which Jack Harlow is talking about,

like, the blackness of what he's trying to do. Like, in wanting to be Blacker, I was grateful to hear things get confirmed.

It raised a lot of questions for me,

and maybe it'll raise some questions for you.

But here it is.

Jack Harlow, talking to John Caramanica and Joe Coscarelli on Popcast.

I was joking about this earlier, but, like, your are flattened out. Like, what's in the, what's in the curl? What's been pointing out? What's your curl curve? You lose in your swag. I didn't say that. You didn't have to. Welcome to the New York Times Popcast. You want to do more than just a feature of weekly cultural review with John Caramanica and I'm the critic.

I'm Joe Kostcarelli and I'm the reporter.

I'm Jack Harlow and I'm on podcast.

There you go.

You nailed it.

You're good at this.

Thanks.

Jack Harlow is a rapper and more from Louisville, Kentucky in 2020.

After moving to Atlanta, he broke out with What's Poppin.

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