Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, your infinity symbol of music news and criticism. I'm your host Ben Ratliff.

And I'm your host Benrath.

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I'm gonna'er, And we're listening to the track Veneno by Jay Balvin from his new record Inerilla, which was the subject of a piece written by our music reporter Joe Kaskorelli who was with us today.

Hey Joe.

In the story that you just wrote this week in the Times about Jay Balvin. You talk about him at this point in

his career. This is his fourth record. Yeah, they're calling it his second album because it's sort of his second official album

You know signed to a major label. I think you know he had some independent releases yet some mixtapes his album

Laffa Amelia came out in 2013 and that's sort of what they wanted to frame as his his big

debut because now he was sort of a global concern.

And then the year after they put out a B-Sides collection to that album a sort of

deluxe edition, whatever it is with a couple other songs that became big hits.

And he has a body of work behind him, but this is sort of his second proper studio, major label, full push okay and he's huge at this point he's huge and he's

31 which is also kind of interesting yeah not, not super young.

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