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Politics on Trial: Darwin vs God / Darrow vs Bryan – the Scopes ‘Monkey’ Trial

Past Present Future

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History, Politics, News, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.7747 Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

We return to our series about the most significant trials in history with the trial of the twentieth century: Scopes ‘Monkey’ (1925), which was meant to be about a Tennessee schoolteacher but became a battle between science and religion and everything in between. What made it such a blockbuster showdown? Who really won and who really lost? And how are arguments from one hundred years ago still roiling American politics today?  To get our free fortnightly newsletter delivered to your inbox with guides, clips and much more to accompany all our episodes sign up now https://www.ppfideas.com/newsletters Next time in Politics on Trial: the Moscow Show Trials Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, my name's David Rumsman and this is past, present, future, the History of Ideas podcast.

0:16.0

Today and for the next few episodes, we're going back to our series that we've been doing for much of this year,

0:22.5

called Politics on Trial, about the most significant, the most interesting trials in history,

0:29.4

political trials, but also trials that reveal something about the politics, the temper of their age,

0:36.4

and reveal something about our age too.

0:39.6

Today, it's a truly extraordinary trial.

0:42.3

It took place 100 years ago in the summer of 1925.

0:47.8

It became known as and has been known as this ever since.

0:52.6

Scopes Monkey or the Monkey Trial.

0:58.3

For this series, Politics on Trial, there is a website that I use that I want to pay homage to

1:05.4

because I don't think I could do this series without it.

1:07.5

It's an amazing resource.

1:09.6

It's called Famous Trials. It's curated by a man called

1:13.5

Douglas Linda, Professor Douglas Linda. I have to say I don't know much about him. It seems to be

1:19.2

a labour of love. And on it, there are a hundred trials and all of the documents and information

1:26.2

that anyone could need who wants to find out

1:29.5

what happened. Court transcripts, transcripts of investigations and interrogations, newspaper reports,

1:38.3

the reports of higher courts, appeal verdicts and judgment. All of it is there. It's fantastic.

1:45.0

That's the first thing I wanted to say. The second thing I wanted to say is that on the site, roughly half the trials, I think maybe

1:51.0

even exactly half, there are 150 of them from the 20th century. And at a certain point, Douglas

1:57.2

Linda, as the proprietor of this site, was asked to nominate his trial of the

2:02.5

century. And I think he was being encouraged to say it was the O.J. Simpson trial. And he said it's not

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