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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Politics of Who Rather Than What | Interview: Yuval Levin

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Jonah Goldberg is not a populist, but when the masses demand an appearance by modern-day Founding Father Yuval Levin, even Jonah is powerless to resist. Jonah and Yuval reminisce about the life and legacy of Dick Cheney, discuss the rise of right-wing antisemitism, and ultimately agree that we need more boring politicians. Shownotes:—The Fettered Presidency - AEI—The Imperial Congress - Heritage—The Kevin Roberts video—Jonah’s essay on popular frontism—Bobos In Paradise: The New Upper Class and How They Got There—Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning—“Second Thoughts On James Burnham” The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:00.6

podcast brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media. I am coming at you from Grand Rapids,

1:06.2

Michigan. We have the big Remnant recording meetup thing this evening.

1:12.9

The demand for content never ends.

1:15.5

And really, the demand for Eval of Vin truly never ends.

1:19.3

For those of you who don't know, shame on you.

1:21.9

But Yuval is my superior at the American Enterprise Institute.

1:25.3

He's a frequent contributor to the dispatch, as well as

1:28.2

plenty of other places. I asked ChatGPT for some suggestions of what are Yuval Levin's blind spots,

1:37.2

and it just sputtered to a halt and started to smoke. So with that, Yvall, welcome back to the

1:43.9

Remmen. Thanks so much, Jonah. That's interesting to hear. That with that, you've all, welcome back to the remnant.

1:48.8

Thanks so much, Jonah. That's interesting to hear. That's clearly one of ChatGPT's blind spots.

1:55.8

It's actually an interesting exercise. Paul Bloom, the psychologist, said you should ask it about yourself and see what it says. And that's a subject for another time. We should probably start. We're recording

2:03.6

at 11 a.m. on Tuesday, November 4th, it's Election Day. But we also got the news of just a few

2:10.5

hours ago that Dick Cheney had passed away. And Vice President Cheney, a lot of people don't know this,

2:16.6

but he has a storied history with the American Enterprise Institute, in part because he was a veteran of the Ford administration.

2:23.5

And a lot of 40s, you know, were part of the, part of AEI in the 1970s.

2:29.8

So anyway, not that that's the most important thing about his story career, but I do think it's

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