Lemonada.

This is Beth Silver, you're listening to Pantsu Politics.

Sarah is in England this week, leading a pilgrimage for common ground pilgrimages about pride and prejudice. And I am delighted to be joined by Democratic strategist, social entrepreneur, former senior advisor to Vice President Harris and the author of Endless Urgency on Substack, Mike Nellis. Mike, thanks for being here. What did I miss in your extensive bio? A dad and a husband.

Dad, love that. A pretty average kayaker. Very nice. Well, I appreciate you being here. We're going to hit some headlines first. And then I am really excited to talk to you about cable news where you've been spending a lot of time lately. I feel like you are in many ways the news nation go-to progressive strategist.

Does that feel right?

Yeah, I'm their Democrat.

I don't know how that happened.

So I want to talk about that and where tone and substance intersect in our politics,

especially as filtered by cable news.

And then outside of politics, but completely related,

I would like to ask you about your stress levels and keeping your feet on the ground and how you hang in there through this bizarre and difficult work.

Happy to talk about all that.

Next up, let's have a chat about retribution coming from the White House.

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