The following podcast contains explicit language.

Hello and welcome to Slate Political Gab Fest for September 6th, 2018, the Unsung Hero edition.

I am David Plotz of Alice Obscura.

We're all together in the CBS radio studio here in New York City.

John Dickerson facing me, not really face or half facing me to my right of CBS this morning.

Hello, John.

Thanks for having us.

Oh, you have new glasses.

Well, they're just actually these are, these came from in a chemist's in Ireland. And you know what? We were in the country's out of Ireland. And the chemist, in the front window of the chemist was, was, um, it was a, an advertisement for some liquid you could give cows to help with their digestion. So that was the most important thing they were selling to passers by, but they also had

glasses.

And to John's right is Emily Bazelon of the New York Times Magazine.

Hello, Emily.

Hello, David.

I have no story to top that.

That was very distinctive.

If one of us was going to write an op-ed about the scandal inside the Gap Fest, which one of us would write it anonymously, I think it would probably be me.

You're John, you're too honorable.

John, what would you write about David?

How you're underappreciated and you could write about yourself as the unsung hero.

It depends what your motivation is. Because if you, because morale, a deep seed or what your read of the op-ed we're about to talk to was, right? If you're deeply moral, then that could be the occasion to write the op-ed. If you were just sour grapes and not moral and felt like it was a moral betrayal of the president, then you wouldn't write one.

Well, we have no president at the problem.

There's no president at the time. It would be a little hard to find someone to rant against in quite the same manner.

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