Political Gabfest: Should Liz Cheney Run?

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🗓️ 9 December 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

This week, Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz gather around John’s dining room table to discuss Liz Cheney, her book, and how far she’ll go to stop Donald Trump; Chris Christie, his presidential campaign, and whether he’ll stay in the race; and Purdue Pharma, the Sacklers, and if the Supreme Court will let the company go bankrupt to save the family fortune. Here are some notes and references from this week’s show: Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning by Liz Cheney John Dickerson for CBS News Sunday Morning: “Liz Cheney on why she believes Trump’s reelection would mean the end of our republic” Terry Gross for NPR Fresh Air: “Liz Cheney, focused on stopping Trump, hasn’t ruled out 3rd-party presidential run” Kevin Liptak, David Wright, and Samantha Waldenberg for CNN: Biden tells donors he’s ‘not sure I’d be running’ in 2024 if Trump wasn’t in the race Ben Mathis-Lilley for Slate: When Chris Christie Is the Voice of Honesty and Reason, You’re in Trouble Lisa Lerer and Chris Cameron for The New York Times: “Some Republicans Have a Blunt Message for Chris Christie: Drop Out” Ed Kilgore for the Intelligencer: “Christie Vows to Continue Doomed Campaign to the Bitter End” Amy Howe for SCOTUSblog: “Court conflicted over Purdue Pharma bankruptcy plan that shields Sacklers from liability” Abbie VanSickle and Jan Hoffman for The New York Times: “What to Know About the Purdue Pharma Case Before the Supreme Court” Jocelyn Mackie for Forbes Advisor: Prescription Opioid Lawsuit Guide (2023) Alexander Gladstone for The Wall Street Journal: Georgia-Pacific Wins Appeal to Maintain Chapter 11 Protection From Lawsuits Here are this week’s chatters: Emily: First: Sandra Day O’Connor by Evan Thomas John: Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You by Brad Stulberg; Monty Python – Silly Job Interview; and John Cleese on Creativity In Management David: Going Zero: A Novel by Anthony McCarten and Such a Fun Age: A Novel by Kiley Reid Listener chatter from Ryan White: Zaria Gorvett for the BBC: Tyrian purple: The lost ancient pigment that was more valuable than gold For this week’s Slate Plus bonus segment, David, John, and Emily talk through a constitutional Conundrum. See also Wikipedia: Gouverneur Morris. In the next Gabfest Reads, John talks with Brad Stulberg about Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything Is Changing – Including You. Email your chatters, questions, and comments to [email protected]. (Messages may be referenced by name unless the writer stipulates otherwise.) Podcast production by Cheyna Roth Research by Julie Huygen Hosts Emily Bazelon, John Dickerson, and David Plotz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the Slate Political Gabfest. December 7th, 2023, the Should Liz Cheney Run Edition. I'm David Platz of City Cast, I'm in New York City, not just in New York City, I'm in
0:26.5	John Dickerson's dining room. Is this a dining room, John? It's a dining room, but I think most people would experience it as a kind of pass-through location between say the kitchen the stairway and the living room, but there is a dining room table that we're sitting at and so I declare that it is a done. And I'm also with
0:45.8	Emily Bazlon of the New York Times magazine and Yale University of Law School.
0:49.9	Hello Emily. Hey David, hey John, it is so nice to be here.
0:53.7	This week on the Gabfest, Liz Cheney is back with a best-selling book should the former
0:59.8	Republican congressional leader, or a former Republican congressional leader or a former Republican
1:02.9	congressional leader she wasn't the leader run in order to stop another
1:07.1	Trump presidency then what about Chris Christie should he stop running in order to help stop another Trump presidency?
1:15.4	And then will the Supreme Court overturn the immensely controversial Purdue Farm of Bankruptcy, and there is the Dickerson doorbell ringing.
1:25.0	There's verisimilitude for you.
1:27.2	Plus in addition to doorbells we will have cocktail chatter.
1:30.1	I think by the time we were done taping this with all the technical problems we were having, we will definitely be having a cocktail even though it is only nine in the morning.
1:37.0	This episode is brought to you by Pepsi Max.
1:42.0	Christmas is great, but there's loads of ways to make it better, like sneaking
1:46.8	some chili into the gravy for some extra oombs, or building a playlist that will even
1:51.8	get your none up on the table.
1:54.0	Or just cracking open an ice cold Pepsi Max.
1:58.0	Christmas.
2:00.0	Better with Pepsi Max.
2:09.0	Kevin McCarthy is leaving Congress. He's joining Liz Cheney in the community of ex-Republican members of Congress.
2:14.0	He will write a book, the former House Speaker.
2:17.2	No one will care.
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