You know, you have originally, originally this kind of notion that the internet and social media is going to democratize things and bring about profound social goods.

Once the social media platforms decided to go towards an ad revenue model, you know, they knew that we have to have eyeballs on the platform.

And then they learned that what keeps you most engaged is anger. That's one thing

that I want to always try to keep in mind and tell people is that remember it's a business model.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology and Rob. My guest today is Dr. Lee Camp,

who is the creator and host

of No Small Endeavor, which is an acclaimed podcast series exploring what it means to live a good

life. He is an award-winning teacher, professor of theology and ethics at Lipscomb University

in Nashville, Tennessee, which is where this episode is shot. This is shot in person in Franklin, Tennessee, just south of Nashville.

Lee is the author of several books, including one of my absolute favorites on political

theology called Scandalous Witness.

And that's where we go.

We talk about lots of things related to political theology and our cultural moment.

So please welcome back to the show, the one-only Dr. Lee Camp.

Well, Lee Camp, thanks for coming back on Theology and Arra.

I'm sure it'll come up in this conversation and it did in the last conversation,

but I just wanted to give another shout out to your book. Scandalous Witness was absolutely incredible.

Thank you.

I remember reading it.

I was on sabbatical during COVID.

I think it had just come out.

That was fall of 2020.

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