Because really to me, the Bible now that I've read it, for 11 years I read it beginning to end,

and I was not learning anything.

And I realized that the scriptures are really written in black and white.

But if you know context and you know history, the cinematic aspect of it comes,

and it has Dolby Sound sound and now it makes sense.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Rob.

My guest today is actually the one or only Kathy Lee Gifford.

For those of you who are like under 25 years old and may not know who Kathy Lee Gifford is.

She's a four-time Emmy Award-winning former co-host of the fourth hour of today.

Prior to NBC News,

Gifford served as a co-host of Live

with Regis and Kathy Lee for 15 years,

and she was recently awarded a star

on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Gifford is a five-time New York Times best-selling author whose recent book is Herod and Mary,

the true story of the Tyrant King and the mother of the risen Savior, the first book of her trilogy.

The second book in this trilogy is Nero and Paul,

which is set to be released on March 10th, 2026. This interview was recorded in person in Franklin,

Tennessee. So, wow, I was a little starstruck. I grew up watching Regis and Kathy Lee,

and couldn't believe she agreed to come on the podcast and uh i

didn't know she was such a um uh such an fascinating thinker when it comes to the first century

jewish context of the new testament so i read uh her book and it was really really well written

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