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Hi, I'm Wendy Zuckerman and you're listening to Science Verses from Gimlet.

This is the show that pits facts against force.

On today's show, when police kill people, and heads out, this episode has some violent descriptions and swear words, so take care when you're listening.

It's been five years since the high-profile shootings of several unarmed black teenagers and men, which launched the Black Lives Matter movement.

Thousands of people protested, saying cops are using unnecessary force.

The deaths sparked national debate about what exactly was going on in police departments, with some saying this is a systemic problem.

Another saying, no, that's not right.

A recent Pew survey found that around 40% of the public and about two-thirds of the officers interviewed thought that these deaths were just, quote, isolated incidents.

This whole anti-police rhetoric is based on a lie. There is no data, there is no research that proves any of that nonsense. None.

But despite this, police departments have been doing all kinds of things to respond to the deaths and the protests.

Police departments are employing a new tactic, body-mounted video camera.

The Sacramento Police Department has been doing implicit bias training.

Officers and recruits are required to attend an eight-hour implicit bias course.

Meanwhile, it feels like we're still seeing a lot of black people being killed at the hands of police, like just a few weeks ago.

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