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Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on

American politics and policy.

I'm Northern Kentucky University political scientist Michael Baranowski.

My guest today is Matt Grossman, director of the Institute

for Public Policy and Social Research and Professor of Political Science at Michigan State

University. Matt was on the show back in 2019 when we talked about his book on public policy

change, artists of the possible, and he's back today to talk with me about his latest book, co-authored with

David Hopkins, Polarized Degrees, How the Diploma Divide and the Culture War transformed

American Politics. Matt Grossman, welcome back. Thanks. Good to be with you. You know, I've been

following politics pretty closely, really since the late 1980s.

And back then, I was a Reagan Republican.

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