Poetry, Patriarchy, & Pride - with Phillip Brown and Andres Brown

Breaking Down Patriarchy

Amy McPhie Allebest

Education, History, Society & Culture

4.9 • 654 Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Amy is joined by married partners - poet Phillip Brown and therapist Andres Brown - for an authentic and heartful exploration of queer identity, queer safety, queer relationships and patriarchy through an exchange of poetry and conversation.

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Phillip Watts Brown is a poet and artist after earning a BA in graphic design from Brigham Young University. He earned an MFA in poetry from Oregon State University. He is the author of Boy with Flowers in His Mouth, which was published by Gold Line Press in February, 2025. His work has appeared in literary journals and anthologies, including Ninth Letter, the Common, Ruminate, Nimrod, Tahoma Literary Review, and others. Phillip lives with his husband in northern Utah, where he works as a graphic designer. He's also a poetry editor for the online literary journal, Halfway Down the Stairs.

Andres Larios Brown (They/Elle) is a Utah-based licensed marriage and family therapist dedicated to healing for LGBTQ plus communities. As training director and partner at Simple Modern Therapy and Institute, Andres focuses on trauma, healing, and wellbeing for those who feel marginalized or othered. Andres specializes in identity development and reclaiming healing practices for queer, trans, and BIPOC communities. As a therapist of both lived experience and learned expertise, they are committed to helping LGBTQ+ people thrive.

In addition to providing therapy, Andres focuses on creating and facilitating training for therapists and teaches at U of V’s Masters of Social Work Program and U of O’s Couples and Family Therapy Program. They have co-authored a chapter in the Rutledge International Handbook of Couple and Family Therapy, as well as a number of other articles in different academic journals. Through therapy, teaching, training, and advocacy. They seek to bridge the gap between research and clinical practice. They and their husband of eight years live in northern Utah where they spend as much time with family and loved ones as possible.

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0:00.0	Welcome to Breaking Down Patriarchy. I'm Amy McPhee All the Best. The poet Alan Ginsberg said,
0:08.0	Poetry is the one place where people can speak their original human mind. It is the outlet for people
0:15.0	to say in public what is known in private. As a groundbreaking gay poet, Ginsburg did indeed say things out loud that
0:24.5	previously had only been known in private. And in doing so, he gave permission to those who read his
0:30.8	work to speak their original human mind. Today, I have the great honor of speaking to a poet whose work absolutely takes my breath away.
0:41.2	His name is Philip Watts Brown. And joining us also is Philip's partner and spouse Andres
0:47.1	Larios Brown, who is a brilliant therapist. These two magnificent souls are going to be sharing their poetry and their wisdom on several
0:57.4	topics regarding LGBTQ life that I have wondered about. And I am so excited to share this episode
1:04.9	with the Breaking Down patriarchy community today. Thank you so much for being here, Philip and Andres.
1:10.6	Thanks for having us. We're
1:12.1	excited to be here. So we'll start out with Philip. Philip Watts Brown is a poet and artist.
1:19.0	After earning a BA in graphic design from Brigham Young University, he earned an MFA in poetry
1:24.4	from Oregon State University. He is the author of Boy with Flowers in his
1:29.0	mouth, which was published by Gold Line Press in February 2025. His work has appeared in literary
1:35.1	journals and anthologies, including Ninth Letter, The Common, Ruminate, Nimrod, Tahoma Literary
1:41.3	Review, and others. Philip lives with his husband in northern Utah, where he works as a graphic designer.
1:47.8	He's also a poetry editor for the online literary journal halfway down the stairs.
1:53.3	So actually, let's just stick with you, Philip, at first, and have you tell us about yourself personally, and then we'll move to Andres after that.
2:00.5	Can you just tell us a little bit about what makes you you and then we'll move to Andres after that. Can you just tell us
2:01.1	a little bit about what makes you you and what has brought you to the work that you do today?
2:06.4	Sure. Yeah. So I am from Utah originally. I was born in Provo and raised there a little bit and then
2:16.1	in Sandy, Utah. I had gone to Oregon for graduate school,
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