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From KQED.

Joining me now is poet, playwright, McArthur Fellow, and Yale Professor Claudia Rankin.

Using poetry, documents, and essays, Rankin's

new book Just Us shares her exploration into the power and the limits of conversation as a tool

for interracial understanding. Claudia Rankin, thanks so much for joining us.

Good morning or good afternoon.

It's great to be here.

Yes, good afternoon for you.

Morning for us here on the West Coast.

One of the things that I was really struck by was how you had pointed out that while you have a white husband that you had not engaged in a lot of conversation with

white men, even though you found engaging in conversations with strangers fairly easily,

and that you wanted to try. And I guess one of the things that I wondered about was at this time,

right, when we're seeing this racial reckoning across the country, we're seeing uprisings, we're

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