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Psychedelic Salon

Podcast 439 – “A Resolute Optimist of a Complicated Sort”

Psychedelic Salon

Lorenzo Hagerty

Personal Journals, Science, Society & Culture, Natural Sciences, Philosophy

4.8567 Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2015

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna PROGRAM NOTES: [NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.] “Now all that stands between us and some kind of angelic completion of some sort is the dark side of ourselves and the unpaid bills of the historical process.” “I am a resolute optimist of a very complicated sort.” “If you have the psychedelic experience in your inventory of experiences, you are able to make a different model of reality than if you lack it.” “I don't think that what the shaman is doing is something metaphorical, or analogical, or allegorical. What the shaman is doing is something real that is couched in a language that we find difficult to understand.” “Consciousness seeks the shape of its vessel. It's like water.” “At the center of the archaic impulse is the shaman. At the center of the shaman's understanding of the world is the boundary-dissolving experience of psychedelics.” “I don't believe me. I hated theology. And I think the way to keep it light is to not believe. I will attempt to convert you in the course of these meetings to all kinds of things that I don't believe.” “Ideology is poisonous. We're not trying to figure out the best thing to believe. What we're trying to do is not believe anything and somehow have a return to the direct empowering of common sense and common senses.” Download MP3 PCs – Right click, select option Macs – Ctrl-Click, select option The Genesis Generation: A psychedelic novel by Lorenzo

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0:00.0

Greetings from Cyberdelic Space.

0:09.0

Greetings from Cyberdelic Space. This is Lorenzo and I'm your host here in the Psychedelic Salon.

0:24.0

And hopefully you've listened to my podcast just previous,

0:27.2

which announces this year's Fun Drive and the updated paperback edition of my novel, The Genesis Generation.

0:34.0

And since today is the first day of that Pledge Drive, I have no other news to report other than what is in that podcast, number 438.

0:42.8

Now, as has been pointed out to me in various and sundry forums, it's been a couple of months now since we have heard from Terrence McKenna.

0:52.5

So I dug around a little bit, and I think that I've come up with something that we haven't yet listened to here in the salon.

0:58.8

However, parts of this multi-day workshop may have been sent to me by more than one person.

1:03.8

So if you think that you heard part of this before, well, maybe you have.

1:07.6

But the part that I'm going to play right now isn't something that I can remember

1:11.2

hearing before, even though some of the stories and topics are familiar.

1:15.9

Now, just to set the scene a little, this talk took place over 20 years ago in June of 1994,

1:23.4

and some of the major events that had taken place just the month before

1:27.5

included the opening of the channel tunnel between the UK and the continent

1:32.1

and the inauguration of Nelson Mandela as president of South Africa.

1:38.0

So let's join Terrence and a few friends now and find out what was on his mind back then.

1:43.9

Which is just simply an excuse to get together to talk about the state of the world,

1:51.2

what's hot, what's not, what's interesting, what's coming, what's going.

1:58.7

These seem to be the things on everybody's mind.

2:01.6

There's a palpable acceleration of historical novelty.

2:08.6

You don't have to be a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing, I think.

2:14.6

The question is, you know, what, there's growing consensus that we have managed ourselves

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