PMQ's unpacked on Times Radio, unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire.

And I'm joined as always by Times Chief Political Commentator Patrick McQuire. Hello Patrick.

Good afternoon, Hugo. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. You've been having a nice break from PMQ's?

Quiet time, not much on? Haven't we all? Haven't we all? It's been a balm, hasn't it?

Also with us today is Cleo Watson, former Deputy Chief of Staff of Boris Johnson. She's the host of a new podcast called In the Room with a former senior civil servant, Helen McNamara. Cleo, welcome to our room. Hi, thanks having me. Good to have you here. How are you? Well, actually, I was thinking the bomb of missing PMQs.

I can't wait to get back to the oratory style. Good to have you here. How are you? Well, actually, I was thinking the balm of missing PMQs.

I just, I can't wait to get back to the oratory style that we've got some amazing performers in the House of Commons.

Soaring, isn't it?

I'm excited.

Do you enjoy it all more now watching it from afar than you did when you're in the thick of it?

I've almost completely checked out, to be honest.

So yes.

Yes, I have.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, even the thing is, I think that a government can be so siloed,

even in number 10, even if you've actually helped do some of the prep for the prime

minister for PMQs, you can just find yourself like not you know it's 45 minutes you've got other

stuff to be cracking on with it would be absolutely nuts if everyone in government was gathered around

the television sets like it's the queen's speech I thought I'd always kind of hope they were like

like hanging over each other's shoulders or going like go on son no none of that no say it's like

um say it is something big like a privileges committee referral debate, something like that.

Something as exciting as that.

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