PMQ's Unpacked on Times Radio, unpacking the politics and cutting through the crossfire.

Yes, it's Wednesday. It's noon. We're going to be pausing and unpacking the exchanges from the Commons Chamber.

I'm joined as always by the Times Chief Political Commentator Patrick McGuire. Hello, Patrick.

Good afternoon, Hugo. How are you?

Do you want the honest answer? I think I do. We've got a bit of time.

I'm pretty wound up. Right. Why's that? I'm just sick of watching the Labour Party. Oh, it is about policy. I thought we're going to get into your personal life here. Well, no, no, no. My personal life is going from strength to strength. Good. Good to know. Now, what's winding me up? Yeah.

So I was on the train in.

I was thinking the train in.

I was thinking about how Pete Waterman and Stock Aiken Waterman are underappreciated in the sort of cultural landscape of this country. Just another reminder as so often that Patrick McGuire is under 30. No, I'm 30 now. Well, still. but what's really winding me up is

I was scrolling through

Twitter now known as X

heard of it yeah

and I was scrolling through Twitter, now known as X.

Heard of it, yeah.

And I was bombarded with Labour MP after Labour MP saying, oh, Zoran Mandami shows us how to win.

You know, we finally know how to beat reform.

And I just look at these people and think, get real.

Just get real.

Like, get a grip.

Why don't you try, now you've worked out how to win in New York, trying to win in Wales,

trying to win in Labour's historic heartlands to use that dreadful cliche.

You know, they've worked out, apparently, that the way to say progressivism is to run a singularly

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