Hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin, and now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day,

from the political mess over prisons to whether you should clone your pets and whether politicians are becoming more honest.

And joining me are the reliably truthful Daisy McAndrew. Hello, Daisy.

Good to have you. How are you? Good to have you on. Thank you. Looking forward to it. And the ruthlessly frank, Matthew Parris. Hello, Daisy. Good morning. How are you? Good to have you on.

Thank you. Looking forward to it. And the ruthlessly Frank, Matthew Paris. Hello, Matthew. How are you?

I'm fine. I'm fine. But being ruthlessly,

Frank, it's great to meet Daisy. But what's happened to Manzine? Manveen is,

Manvin is not with us this week. And for a while it turns out. Yes I hope she will be back with her soon. That would be wonderful. But she's working hard on the story podcast. She's all right, is she? She's very well. She's very well. Yes, I saw her. I saw her only yesterday, actually, Matthew. She's extremely well, is Manveen. It'd be lovely to have her back soon, but it is wonderful to have Daisy today. Let's crack on and start with our prisons. The government has called an urgent meeting with prison governors today to discuss why so many inmates are being released by mistake. It comes off to be learned that two men were accidentally freed from Wandsworth Prison last week, including a sex offender from Algeria who was due to be deported. The Justice Minister, Alex Davies Jones, spoke to Times Radio Breakfast. We're bringing the governors in to discuss what more we can do, and we are straining every sinew to try and get to the bottom of this problem because I want to reassure the public, and I am as furious and frustrated as they are that this keeps and continues to happen.

Well, the Justice Secretary David Lammy refused to answer questions about it at PMQs despite being aware of it.

And when he was asked later by the Speaker to return to the comments to give a statement, he declined because his aid suggested it would be, quote, career suicide.

Times Radio Breakfast also heard from the Shadow Justice Secretary Robert Jenrick.

It was one of the most shambolic appearances I've ever seen in the House of Commons from a senior cabinet minister.

This man is our deputy prime minister.

He should be able to come to Parliament and with openness and candor, as in fact he is required to do under the ministerial code, explain what is happening and set out the steps that

he is taking to address it. He didn't do that. He chose not to do that. I thought that was

very poor. Now he's got to grip this and demonstrate to the public

that he is going to ensure this doesn't keep happening. It was such a shambles yesterday. Matthew,

did you see it? I did. It was such an unforced error of judgment. By who? By Lammy?

By Lammy. All he needed to have said was that i i have

had reports of uh another person being uh let out by mistake i don't know the details yet i'll

update the house when i do so easy isn't it yes yeah why do you think he didn't

scared i think just didn't want to say something that would be embarrassing. But we know, all of us know from our lives that not wanting to say something that would be embarrassing ends up in having to say something later that's much more embarrassing. Yeah, and I think that's very fair. Was he really buying a suit that morning?

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