This episode is Skeptico.

You've got to deliver the goods.

So the goods right now that I'm holding you accountable to is those IQ scored.

And you say you got them.

And if you got them, you got to show them.

You keep your research for 10 years.

And after 10 years, you can throw away those boxes.

So I've thrown a number of them away, of course,

because I've been doing this for 44 years.

I've only got one box left now

so that there's just simply no way I can go back.

It just doesn't ring true.

I just straight up, it doesn't ring true to me.

Welcome to Skeptico where we explore controversial science and spirituality.

Today we welcome near-death experience,

and author PMH Atwater.

Her latest book is The Forever Angels, Near Death Experiences in Childhood, and their lifelong impact. A book that

none other than Bruce Grayson calls unprecedented, Kenneth Ring calls truly groundbreaking,

and Pin von Lommel says, is a very important, valuable contribution.

Now, if you know anything about near-death experience science, that is the real study of the phenomenon.

You know that all of the folks I just mentioned are very prominent researchers with distinguished credentials.

So their endorsement of this book, I think, is quite

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