it's that time time time lock and load the michael very show is on the air cliston duncan

is our guest.

He is doing a new one-man show on the great Thomas Soul.

When I asked the question, it was because I'm genuinely thinking about how I would do it if I were doing it.

I don't have the acting skill you do, but I research people.

I study them.

I say I take them apart and put them back together.

I'm fascinated by not just what people have to say, especially someone like Seoul who has so much to say,

but how they arrived at that. You know, his experience with Milton Friedman and having been in Friedman's

class at University of Chicago, and he says, but I left the class and I was

still a liberal. And he goes to work for the labor department. And then he realizes that the labor

department does not care about black people or employees, both of whom they claim to. And that

when he pointed out that the data was actually

harmful to these people from what they were recommending, that they said, that doesn't matter.

And that was the moment.

That was his aha moment.

That was his eureka.

Oh, my goodness.

These people don't believe anything they're saying.

And it transformed him.

And he went on to be the man he is today.

You know, I think that's just absolutely fascinating.

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