Remember when Kylie Jenner was declared the youngest self-made billionaire and everyone got up in arms about it?

Well, I do because I wrote that story. I spent hours talking to Kylie and Chris Jenner, and on the podcast infamous, I'll be playing tape recordings of them no one has ever heard.

Because it turns out they may or may not have lied to me.

Where do you want me to be?

You can be there?

So we're back at Chris Jenner's house in Hidden Hills.

I'm hovering by a big darkwood dining table, waiting to be told where to go.

I'm here to sit in on a meeting with Chris, Kiley, and a couple of people who work on Kiley

Cosmetics. I think the most important thing let's talk about pop-up.

Kylie acts as something of a creative director,

accepting or dismissing suggestions from everyone else.

Sometimes Kylie completely smacks down her mom's ideas in the ubiquitous

dismissive child way that will sound familiar to any parent.

Maybe we should do something like you should think of something that no one's ever done.

What are you talking about?

She's most concerned with aesthetics.

And like everyone in California, myself included, she talks in terms of facts.

It's that I mean.

Just because Ellen I have seen my other vibe.

I need that.

The other vibe.

I need those vibes. But it becomes clear to me during this meeting that even though it's cold

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