This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske.

Here now, Tony Bruske.

Do you think she's starting to feel the writing on the wall here?

Do you think she herself is feeling like she's being backed into the corner?

And do you think the defense team is starting to feel that way, too?

You know, yes.

And I think leading up to this retrial, some would say Carrie Reid was kind of brazen.

She was kind of audacious.

She was kind of out there.

You know, she's talking and she seems to be enjoying the media attention and being her version of charismatic.

And then once you get into that gauntlet, things change.

And sometimes the gravity of what is going on in that courtroom and the direction it's going

can sort of land in your chest and you feel it.

And I can't help but wonder if Karen Rita's like, hey, this isn't going like the first one went. I wonder, do you think she's had a moment or do you think it's just been kind of a slow-billed lobster in the pot? I wonder if there's one thing that was just like, I mean, she's had her reactions in court. That's certainly there where it's, you can tell she's not happy about

some of the rulings that have come down and what's been played in court. But I'm wondering,

I don't know. I mean, was there a moment or just a slow build on this one?

You know, I think there could have been a few moments. One was the digital forensics expert

who did a locational analysis of John O'Keefe's phone,

and at least for the most part, said that it was very likely to be outside of the home.

Well, there was some cross-examination.

And then on top of that, I think Burgess's testimony was problematic for the defense.

There was a recent forensic criminalists on the stand who purported to match up some of the plastic debris found on John O'Keefe with the broken tail light from Karen Reed's vehicle.

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