And we're back Mike Cernovich, Cernich.com with another podcast with some very important

guests here. Some of you might have remembered the episode I did with a former member of the Ranger Battalion.

There's an expression where they say their scrolls, not tabs, or they have the tab on the scroll.

These are special operations fighters, and many of them have been using I don't like the term

psychodellics and we'll talk when we bring in the guests they can talk to me

about terminology and how they feel about it I don't I've never liked that term

psychedelic and I don't think that really covers what it is and we'll just say

that they're they've been taking plant medicine and noticing very life transforming changes so we have a couple people here we have

Jamie and Evan and do you guys want to just say hi bring yourselves in and we'll talk

all right thank you Mike this is Jamie. Welcome you want to introduce yourself for people who have never heard of you? Yeah my name is Jamie and Lena and I work primarily with people who are working with plant medicines and helping them with their preparation and their integration and helping them

learning their teachings and their learning back into their lives so that they can they can live life that's more

stupid to them and you haven't yeah I'm I'm Evan Osma similar sort sort of background to Jamie, working with these therapeutic plant

medicines. Really helping with the preparation, building some navigation skills and also some long-term integration to really make the most of some of the experiences

that people can have using these powerful plan medicines.

Yeah, so let's talk about that a little bit, how you all met Miles and got into the world where there's all these veterans who have been using these entogens and what's the backstory there?

Yeah, so Jamie and I both are contracted coaches with a company out of San Diego called

Being Through You that specializes in this type of coaching service

around really supporting individuals who are doing this

sort of plant that ascendance.

And it is really important to have that type of support because these experiences can range from

you know really intense and at times overwhelming to beautiful and euphoric and also confusing and a lot of the regular experience is huge with this type of medicine work and so it is really important to have some long-term support and individuals

to train to know how to work with people

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