Hi everybody, Stephen Mullen you here with a good friend Mike Surnovich, lawyer, author, blogger

all around, heavy hitter in the realm of media, Cernovich.com, you can check out Gorilla

Mindset, which we'll put a link to below. Thanks Mike for taking the time today.

Always a pleasure and we're doing audio only today changing up a little bit so

that'll be more fun people can just hear our voices or my voice anyway. Well and of course I get to

choose the image for you which is always delightful for me that gives me a lot of power and so I

wanted to talk to you in particular because there are some legal issues floating around

that I don't really get and the two important ones at the moment I think we're going to deal

with the CNN one first.

So I'm sure everybody knows this. Project Veritas had a massive major mind-bending scoop

recently when they had an insider at CNN delivered to them, I guess a huge amount of recordings from inside CNN.

And Trump has, as a result, through his lawyers, threatened legal action against CNN and can you just

step me through because you know the first place everyone would go to is defamation but that's

not the approach that his lawyers are taking.

So what's the background and what are they trying to accomplish through this?

Right, so that's a great question.

What are they trying to accomplish because there are multi layers to it?

In my view, and we'll take a step back, I'm sure everybody's seen Project Veritas,

but for those who don't, the 30 to 60 second download is that Jeff Zucker has told

his reporters that they can't do news that everything has to be the

anti-Trump show and that real news doesn't matter.

Now a lot of people would say that that's not what the video saying,

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