Hello and welcome to Best Laid Plans, a podcast about planners, planning, and all things planning adjacent.

This is Sarah Hardunger, and welcome to episode two of season two of this podcast. It has been quite a whirlwind for me and my family over the past couple of weeks. My kids ended up coming down with COVID and my husband got it and maybe I got it too. I'm not sure. But we're all recovering very well and just grateful to be alive and here to plan another day. So I am just

so excited to introduce this guest episode to you. I wanted to go big for the first guest of

2021 or guests, I should say, and I invited Meg and Myra from Planners and Wine to be on the

podcast. I am going to talk about their podcast a bit in the body of this episode, so I don't want

to go too repetitive, but I just love Planners and Wine. They're so much fun. You're going to get

kind of a sense of, I don't know, their lovely vibe that they have together,

as well as their wonderful mission. And they have really very strong and valuable opinions about

planners and planning products that I just find so much fun. So whereas my podcast, I feel like,

is more a little bit more serious and focused on planning techniques and ideas.

They really go in depth onto products.

And then they go beyond that.

And sometimes they talk about the world and their own plans.

And it's just such a fun listen.

So I hope that after this conversation, you go ahead into your podcast app and check them out.

And I hope that everyone else is healthy and has recovered well into the new year.

And here we go with the interview.

Hello and welcome.

This is Sarah Hardunger and I am here with Megan and Myra from Planners and Wine.

I am so excited to have these two.

And fun fact, they are the most amazing women ever because we recorded

round one, had some audio problems, and it was all my fault. And I said, you totally don't have

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