Hello and welcome to this bonus episode of Planet B. Everything Must Change. I'm Daliya

Gepriel. This episode features an extended edition of our interview with Labour Journalist

author and activist Sarah Jaffe. You may have heard snippets of this interview in our

documentary about work and climate breakdown. If you haven't, make sure you check that

out on the Navarra Media podcast eat. Before we get started, a reminder that you can

order a free copy of perspectives on a global green new deal, the illustrated book on

which this series is based, at www.globalhiphongnd.com.

Yeah, hi, I'm Sarah Jaffe. I'm a journalist. I write about

work mostly and the politics of work. And I am based between London and New York at the

moment. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us. Could you begin by telling us a bit about

your work, work, won't love you back, and particularly the issues that come with centering

more work as a demand in our movements? Yeah, I think it's been so interesting in

this last year since, well, the book came out in January, and we are talking in August.

So it's been, you know, seven months of this book being out in the world, and over those

seven months, we've started to hear economists talking about things like the great resignation

and the labor shortage and all of this stuff. And it's hard to sometimes not to like dance

around being like, hi, I was right, because people, even on the left, will sort of say things

like, you know, but workers want to work and people want jobs and jobs give people meaning.

And it turns out that like actually work is kind of awful for the vast majority of people.

And the pandemic took away one of the few things that made work tolerable, which is getting

to be around other people, and then all the rest of it was just miserable. So my book

is, is a look at 10 different forms of work, which are in many ways like the most common

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