Hello and welcome to this bonus episode of Planet B Everything Moss Change. I'm Daliya

Geprille. This episode features an extended edition of our interview with UKMP and former

leader of the Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn. You may have heard snippets of this interview

in our documentary about work and climate breakdown. If you haven't, make sure you check

that out on the Navara Media podcast feed. Before we get started, a reminder that you

can order a free copy of perspectives on a global green new deal, the illustrated book on

which the series is based at www.global-gnd.com.

Jeremy Corbyn, thank you so much for joining us. It's an absolute honour to have you. So,

trying to get change as radical as the green industrial revolution put through at the highest

levels of government, especially in a government in a country like Britain, which is a global

power. It's a very unique experience. It's not one that many people have. Can you tell us

what you learned about trying to get transformative climate policy pushed through at such a high

level? What were the challenges? What would you do differently? And what are your learnings that

you would give to those who are picking up the mantle from this work, both inside and outside of

Parliament? You have to take the mass of people with you. You have to campaign. You have to engage.

You have to listen. You have to learn. And understands that all these decades of environmental

campaign have had an effect. They've mobilised a lot of people. They've made a lot of people

very aware of things. But they've also given the very biggest and most polluting industries

a lot of very smart ideas. The green wash they come out with is unbelievable. They will tell you

anything is sustainable. They're doing it in the most sustainable way. They will tell you that

flying is sustainable, that jet engines are sustainable, that mining is sustainable. Everything

apparently can be made sustainable. And my concern is that COP26 will come up with an aspiration

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