Hello and welcome to this bonus episode of Planet B. Everything Must Change. I'm Daliya

Gebrual. This episode features an extended edition of our interview with Professor

Nome Chomsky. You may have heard snippets of this interview in our documentary about

land and climate breakdown. If you haven't, make sure you check that out on the Navara

Media Podcast feed. Before we get started, a reminder that you can order a free copy of

perspectives on a global Green New Deal, the illustrated book on which the series is based,

at www.global-gnd.com.

I'm Nome Chomsky. I'm currently a professor at the University of Arizona.

I'm a meritorious professor at MIT where I taught most of my life.

Professor Chomsky, thank you so much for joining us today on our perspectives on a global

Green New Deal podcast. It is an absolute honor to have you here. The Green New Deal obviously

harks back in its name to Franklin D. Roosevelt's original New Deal. How is this current moment

both continuous with but also different from the context of the original New Deal?

And what lessons can we learn from the history of FDR's New Deal given the challenges that lie ahead?

Well, let's start with the challenges that lie ahead. They're very severe. We have to make a

distinction in talking about this between what we must do, what we can do, and what we should do,

and unfortunately they don't coincide. What we must do is very rapidly in the use of fossil fuels.

There are ways to do it. It's feasible, and it will have to be done within a framework of

existing institutions, just for simple reasons of time scale. What we can do is an open question

that depends pretty much on people like you. How much pressure can people put on existing

institutions, state and private, to do what must be done for survival? What we should do is another

question. We shouldn't radically change the institutions in many ways, but that's not within the

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