Oh, hi, it's me Dave Holmes. Welcome to Troubled Waters, the show that treats popular culture

as the most important kind of culture, because frankly, it is the kind that is bumming us out the

least, most of the time, but we'll get there. Back in the before times, Troubled Waters would pit

two teams of comedians against each other in a pop culture battle royale. We can't do that anymore. It's not safe. It's more frowned upon than trying to pull a fast one

on the nation of Australia. Don't do it. Don't do it. Novak? Is that his name? Whatever.

So over now, it's one comedian against it. Listen, he's the one like tennis player who I'm just

sort of like not attracted to. So I can't really remember his name. Listen, he's the one, like, tennis player who I'm just sort of, like, not attracted to,

so I can't really remember his name.

Typically, that's a hot athlete.

He's just tall and roping and seems like a dick.

Anyway, for now, it is one comic against another.

To win this battle, each comic will be called upon to use their smarts, their rhetorical skills, the comebacks they've been amassing in their notes app for the last two years.

To earn the Troubled Waters title Pundant Emeritus, which will give their opinion on, let's say how Danny Trejo's presence improves everything.

More weight than a civilians.

Oh, the stakes are high, folks folks let's get into it you're

listening to troubled waters Let us meet our guests.

It's a comedian.

His first book is coming this fall. It's a friend of the show,

Zach Zimmerman. Hi, Dave. Thanks for having me back. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, an honor.

How do you feel with a book, a book in the chamber? It's very nice. I just like turned it in

and now there's like 10 months of

waiting until it comes out. So I kind of feel like, I don't know, I just have like an ace in the

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