On this episode of Skeptico, good old show about good and evil.

Good versus evil.

Good versus evil, baby face versus heel.

And I don't know anymore whether it's good versus evil with you.

That is the evil, right?

The evil is the same thing as saying the necessary evil of dropping nuclear bombs on civilians

is if you don't do that, then there will be more evil.

Then more things will happen.

Like lying is bad.

And it's bad not just in a legal sense.

Like it rots you.

Like being a liar makes you a bad person.

When you lie, you are serving evil.

There's a moral quality to it that's inescapable.

What strikes me is the idea that lying, particularly at a large scale, could indicate

that some of these entities might not have our best interests at heart.

It's a chilling thought that perhaps the government

or at least certain individuals within it might be aware of this and yet still choose to serve

a potentially malevolent force. So I'm sure you recognize some of those clips. Joe Rogan,

Tucker Carlson, they had a rather remarkable conversation about, well, I think it was really about AI and spirituality.

And that's what this interview will explore, is how much that was really about all these topics that we talk about.

So, of course, my way of doing that is with my AI assistant,

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