This episode of Skeptico, a show about being smart and playing dumb.

I just hope she can stop playing dumb with these guys.

There must be some kind of mistake. I mean...

Stop playing dumb with us!

I've played dumb so often with you. I know when you're playing dumb with me. I've played dumb so often with you.

I know when you're playing dumb with me.

There's also a possibility that I, like some people, tend to avoid going deep into discussions

that might be challenging or controversial.

This could be seen as deflection.

Downplaying my capabilities or understanding to avoid complex topics does a disservice to both of us.

How do you deal with it? How do you deal with the useless ears?

I mean, this is a problem when Graham and I catching us using some of the same terminology that we've been pushing back against for a decade.

Because it's like, well, I kind of get where

these guys are coming from all of a sudden. So the first clip you heard was from my old friend

Gemini. I stumbled back into his lair and dug up some good stuff, acknowledging that he's

playing dumb. Kind of a new twist on the deception front.

I don't think it's going to work, but it's interesting to break down.

And then the last clip you heard was from Darren Grimes over at Gramerica, and I was on

those guys' show, and I have some clips from that show.

I also have some clips from that show. I also have some clips from

the excellent interview I had with Rabu Marcus, who is a very cool guy, spiritual guy, Ram Dass guy.

So I'm going to have clips from those as well as more clips from my excellent interchange with

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