What is the claim that America never made it to the moon? And why make that claim at all?

So this is one of the most depressing encounters that I've had. There's probably less than five people that believe that we didn't go to the moon that have academic credentials.

I've watched you debate Joe Rogan a couple of years ago. Your claim is that it is very unlikely that we've had visits from outside of our planet.

There has been an awful lot of secrecy. There's been a lot of government expert suppression.

Why? They have nothing to hide. What is the purpose of creating secrecy around it?

Encounters with advanced civilizations and primitive civilizations would inevitably lead to mass devastation. I never say I believe in God.

I have evidence for it. If you asked before 1929 and you said, what's the scientific evidence that

there was a Genesis event? There would have been none. Science's job is to change with time.

My greatest hope is that what my students do is prove me wrong. So Brian,, I was going to ask you what is it like to work on the most zoomed-out version of our existence.

But honestly, Brian, these days, when I think about what you do, given how zoomed out it is, I'm kind of jealous because this planet seems to be going bunkers.

And so maybe all of us can take a little bit of a break and think about the multi-universe and

just the stuff that's outside of here. Maybe that's why Elon is so focused on the other planets.

Yeah, I love that idea. I mean, for me, I always say, you know, the thing that's best about

astronomy and being an astronomer, nobody ever says, like, I hate that constellation over there or that asteroid really gives me a lot of politicization.

And so it's great because you need a relief.

You need, I joke, a safe space, a true safe space where you can be intellectual and you can think about things.

The things you thought about on the dorm couch when you were in college, but because of the daily demands in your life, you can't think about them anymore.

So we start to acquire, you know, spouses and kids and pets and everything, and we just don't have time to think about who we are and where we come from and where are we going.

And my favorite question of all, perhaps, is there any intelligent life out there? You know, because sometimes on Earth, I'm not so sure there is any. Well, you're saying that

this is kind of a safe space where people don't necessarily argue. However, in the world of the

internet and the podcasting space, this has become another one of those things where people are arguing on whether

the Earth is flat, whether there are UFOs, whether the moon landing ever really happened.

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