We really are doing a really poor job of helping people with a large number of musculoskeletal disorders.

And compared to other countries, we use just orders of magnitude, more diagnostic imaging, drugs, more surgery, more injections.

I can't emphasize enough that there is so many more tools available now to help folks that are in

persistent pain.

The drugs, the surgeries, injections, etc.

They may have helped some, but as a nation, it's not the right direction.

We clearly have to go a different way. And one of the ways I like to think about it

is flipping the paradigm that we start when we have persistent pain with things that have high

levels of evidence such as mindfulness, breathing, physical activity, therapeutic neuroscience education,

those types of things first. Those are

your first line treatments. Don't start with the risky things first.

This is like mind, like body.

A podcast about the surprising ways our thoughts and feelings can shape our physical health.

I'm your host, Laura Sago.

On each episode, I will speak with researchers, physicians, and ordinary people who have incredible

stories to tell about the power of the mind-body connection. This podcast is brought to you

by Curable, an app that gives you safe, effective tools to understand how to heal chronic pain.

You can download Curable in the Apple App Store on Google Play or learn more at our website, curablehealth.com.

On today's episode, I'm speaking with Dr. Tim Flynn.

Dr. Flynn has quite the pedigree in the world of physical therapy.

He's the past president and a current fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists,

associate editor for the Journal of Orthopedic Sports and Physical Therapy,

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