Hello and welcome to another episode of iWay with Jimmy Ligemail. I hope you're well,

I'm fine and really excited for today's episode because I have a friend, a real-life friend on the

show. Her name is Phoebe Robinson, you might know her from Two Dope Queens or her other podcast,

so many white guys, or her new podcast that is just coming out called Black Frazier.

She's also the author of You Can't Touch My Hair and everything is trash but it's okay,

which is truly one of the funniest books you will ever read. And she's just one of the most

relatable and interesting voices on the internet and in stand up. She's also a great actress,

she's infuriatingly talented and charismatic and interesting and cool. And I, I'm thrilled to know her,

we fell in love over Instagram. And I, I got to talk to her today so frankly about so many important

things to her, things like race and the experience of being a black woman in America today,

the performative activism of friends around her and how that feels. And also we spoke about money,

which is something that so few people talk about nowadays, especially women and yet women

are the ones who most need to talk about money, considering that we are 80% of the people who are

targeted to buy, to consume. And so it feels fucking ridiculous that that is not one of the first

conversations that we start having in our households and at schools. How are we still not taught how to

budget, how to understand credit, how to understand mortgages, how to understand taxes? It's almost

as if it's deliberate. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying that it's very, very suspicious.

And so we talked all about money and the shame of not being able to handle your money, how to build

your way out of debt. And she and I have both got a history of being absolutely shit with our cash

because we were both not armed with the vital information of how to protect ourselves. And while

money is the root of a lot of evil, money is currently, as things stand, the road to independence

and freedom for many of us, especially women, especially women of color. So I think that that was

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