Hello and welcome to another episode of iWay with Jumila Jamil. I hope to find you well.

I'm fine. I had a road trip with some friends and my dog and my boyfriend and I finally got off

social media which really just feels like people screaming at each other. There's no jokes anymore.

It's just screaming and that felt really good and I'm sleeping so much better. I have so much less

anxiety so highly recommend. I've been talking about doing so for ages but hadn't really committed

for like a full kind of week and now that I have I don't see myself going back because I can't

believe how much I was just doom addicted and losing my humanity and capacity for empathy which

is exactly what a phone is designed to do that's what looking into that blue light does. So take a

step back. Very excited about today's episode because I got to interview a real hero of mine

from back in the day. I was a kid who grew up very obsessed with famous actresses and romcoms

and fashion and you know I was immersed in the era of heroine chic which was this absurd and

reductive term for beauty for a beauty type that was coined by the fashion industry where basically

in order to be beautiful you had to look as though you didn't consume anything other than heroine.

You had to be completely emaciated you had to have a look that was of explicit famine and anything

bigger than that you were a failure you were fat you were ugly and you were bad and wrong. So because

all of the actresses and models all seem to have that aesthetic there were almost no variations at

the time. I think not only I thought this but a lot of people felt that well if they all look

like that then that must be what's normal and I am not normal there is something wrong with me my

metabolism is too slow my diet isn't working I'm a failure I'm bad I'm wrong I'm ugly I am

other and it was so healing to be able to talk to a woman who was in the midst of that who was

part of perpetuating that culture without intending to because she herself was caught up in it.

It was so interesting to hear her tell me the truth about that time and how she was both

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