Hey everybody. Welcome to The What is Money Show. I'm sitting down today with Mr. Tur de Meester.

Tur, it's been a long time coming. Welcome to the show.

I'm excited to be here. Hey, Roberts.

Glad to have you.

Most of my audience probably knows you because a lot of us are bitcoinsers.

But in case they don't, Tura is a well-known bitcoiner.

Been around for many years.

I would also give you the labels of economist, investor, philosopher.

And I think we're going to try to have an interesting dialogue today about some topics you and I have both been thinking about

and we'll hopefully push the edges of our own understanding and break some new ground. With that said, where should we start?

We have this outline here that says,

why do we think philosophy is important?

Yeah, well, first I was going to say,

like I would not call myself a philosopher.

I mean.

That's why I called you the philosopher.

People do the same to me.

I'd say I'm deeply, deeply closeted.

No, but I don't think I'm a philosopher.

I don't think I've read enough.

I don't think I've, and seriously, I don't think I've written enough.

And also, I don't think I've done this enough, you know, like to have in-depth discussions and debates.

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