Hey everyone, welcome back to the OnScript podcast. This is Matt Lynch coming to you from

Regent College in Vancouver. This is a re-release of an episode we released about two years ago,

and it was one that I wanted to listen to again, and I thought you might as well. So we hope you

enjoy this re-released episode with Philip Siegler. And as always, we appreciate you listening.

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Hello on script listeners.

This is Aaron Heim coming to you from Wycliffe Hall in Oxford, where I am a tutor in Biblical Studies.

Our guest today is Professor Philip Ziegler,

whose book, Militant Grace, tackles foundational questions resulting from what he calls the

apocalyptic turn in Christian theology. Phil's book encompasses a dizzying array of Christian

theologians, from Luther and Calvin to Kierkegaard and Bart and Bonhoeffer,

and somehow he even manages to be conversant with biblical scholars like Ernst Casemont and J. Louis

Martin and John Barclay and Beverly Geventa. Phil, we are really delighted that you could join us today.

Welcome to Onscript. It's an absolute pleasure to be with you.

So off the bat, it's important to define the terms of our discussion, especially since a term

like Apocalyptic is, as I've actually said before on our podcast, a nebulous term, even among its

adherence. And it's a downright contentious term in some circles. So, Phil, what do you mean by apocalyptic?

Sure.

Yeah, you're certainly right about that.

For purposes of the book, I've taken the term apocalyptic up as a term of art,

as I found it used by a collection of Pauline scholars, some of whom you've named,

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