Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast. I'm Charlie Sites. It is Tuesday, May 23rd, 2023.

And remarkably, I court in Arizona has just finally ruled that Kerry Lake is not in fact

the governor of Arizona, which is interesting that these things drag on for so long.

So apparently we are not going to get an announcement from Kerry Lake saying you won't have

Kerry Lake to kick around anymore because we will always have Kerry Lake.

What we, Philip Bump joins me national columnist for the Washington Post.

We're always going to have Kerry Lake, aren't we?

Yeah, I mean, we will have Kerry Lake as long as Kerry Lake can continue to generate

attention by saying Kerry Lake is things which seems like so far in inexhaustible resource.

The thing about the kind of the shamelessness or the, you know, alternative reality she lives in

is that even though, you know, a judge has been looking at this for months and even though

there's, you know, massive evidence and its overwhelming evidence that she did not,

in fact, win the election. The Katie Hobbs is in fact still the governor of Arizona.

It will have no effect on her and very, very little effect apparently on the Arizona Republican base.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think it's important to recognize that what Kerry Lake is running

against here isn't really Democrats. She's not just running against Katie Hobbs. She's running

against this idea of reality that is bolstered by people she dislikes, by the elites, by the

mainstream media, by the left broadly. This is who her opponent is and it's always been her opponent.

Right. So the November 8th, 2022 election against Hobbs was merely a benchmark in her progressing

campaign against reality. By my count, and I have a piece up today at the post, by my count,

she's lost a selection six times. She lost it on November 8th. She lost it when it was called

by the AP. She lost it when it results were certified. She lost it in the court challenge in December.

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