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The Bulwark Podcast

David Frum: Losing the Dominance Primary

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2023

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

DeSantis claims he doesn't back down, but most of the time, he is flinching and cowering—and now he's allowing Musk to push him around. Plus, Trump v Kamala, felons can't vote for themselves in Florida, and the Russians fighting for Ukraine. David Frum joins Charlie Sykes today. show notes: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/joe-biden-health-versus-donald-trump-indictments/673989/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/durham-report-fbi-trump-russia/674088/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast. It is Tuesday, May 24, 2023, and we are fortunate enough

0:14.4

to be joined by our good friend David Phom, staff writer at the Atlantic. Welcome back, David.

0:19.1

Thank you so much. David, I felt that we needed to have a soundtrack for today's show,

0:23.7

a special soundtrack before we get into the news of the day. Go for it. Here it is.

0:28.0

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

0:35.2

Court in the land slide? No escape from reality. There's no escape from this reality.

0:50.7

I mean, where do we start, David? Donald Trump gets his felony court date. The country is

0:56.0

inching toward default. And Ronda Santis, the governor of the state of Florida, has chosen to

1:00.8

launch his candidacy for president with Elon Musk on Twitter. Can we start there?

1:08.0

Ronda Santis is going to launch with Elon Musk. I've had an observation about the way

1:12.9

Dessantis communicates and it struck me when he did an earlier pre-launch online ad. I watched

1:19.4

it and realized it was three minutes long. Every encounter between Dessantis and a voter in the

1:24.4

sad was mediated through a screen. The voter would see Dessantis on a telephone. They would watch

1:28.8

him on a TV screen. Even when the voter, they Photoshop'd Dessantis in apparent conversation with

1:34.5

actual voters. But when you look more closely, you realize that the voters were looking at each other,

1:38.0

nodded him. In fact, they were holding screens in front of their faces as they talked to him.

1:42.3

In this new ad that is, I guess, 24 hours before launch, Dessantis is walking toward a stage.

1:48.7

And we hear a speech by a voiceover. In a British accent.

1:53.2

In a British accent. It's something that really happened. This was at some rally.

1:57.5

In each case, there's an immediate motive. And the latest ad, the motive is to conceal

2:02.4

that Dessantis has an uncompelling voice. In the previous ad, it was to conceal the fact that

2:07.7

Dessantis' actual real life encounters with voters are few and look awkward. But the ad then

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