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no bull and the aftermath.

And it wasn't that he was opposed to the war or anything like that.

It was just that his memory of the war, the thing that he wanted to tell me first, decades

and decades later was this, right?

And there's a way in which the kind of public narratives of the war, right, are always

going to be just completely at odds with the highly particular individual experience.

That goes for the negative images of Vietnam, the more positive images of the war, the

war too, and so on.

When veterans come home, I think one of the things that you find is trying to talk about the

war that you were part of and how you feel about it, sometimes can become an exercise

in navigating your way through those kind of longstanding cultural images about war and

archetypes that we have that never really quite capture individual experience.

Ambrice Clem and this is the LawFair podcast, Friday, May 27, 2022.

I sat down recently with Phil Kly, the author of the new book, Uncertain Ground, Citizenship

in an Age of Endless and Visible War.

Kly is a winner of the National Book Award for Fiction and a Veteran of the War in Iraq.

His latest book is a collection of essays from the past ten years that deal with the consequences

of America's endless wars.

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